You must imagine that a human beings are born (those that don't die in child birth) into a confusing and terrible world. Many die in infancy, others are afflicted with suffering. They have appendixes and other unnecessary appendages. This means a designer who thought of doing things in such a way is a very cruel, mean designer.
You must believe that God chose to not reveal to a great number of people across the world and across time that they need to believe in his son in order to be saved. This also is a cruel position to take.
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The argument from evil. *yawn*
ReplyDeletewow. Hitchens is smarter than I thought. He knows appendixes aren't important?
ReplyDeleteIs it objectively cruel? If so, how does he reconcile objective evil with a subjective moral framework...
ReplyDeleteI sometimes wonder if these atheists have read their opponents work AT ALL...
ReplyDeleteIts funny, that in the argument for evil used by Hitchens and Dawkins and the like, that they give no thought in their responses to the part of Christian Theology about "the Fall".
ReplyDeletejhalchak,
ReplyDeleteIf he had read Craig's stuff at all he would never have agreed to this!
exactly jhalchak!
ReplyDeleteEh...this doesn't seem like that great of a debate. Hitchens is sticking to his usual arguments and from what I've read of Craig, he's using all the cliche defenses (morality, fine-tuning, "the bible says it so it must be true"). I've heard the same from D'Souza and pretty much every other apologist. I guess it wasn't worth the rip-off price tag of $98.
ReplyDeleteI know, right? Craig has written quite a bit on the second paragraph.
ReplyDeleteHitch is actually rather unimpressive isn't he....
ReplyDeleteAgain, another objective moral value. However I do hope Craig addresses an existential rebuttal for this.
ReplyDeleteThe debate tonight is on the question "Does God Exist?" Even if Hitch proves God is cruel, that is all he proves. To win he needs to show God does not exist, not that he is cruel.
ReplyDeleteargueing that God would be cruel is not an argument that God doesnt exist!!
ReplyDeletewe should all feel sorry for Hitchens- as soon as this vid. is made public on Youtube its just gonna be a bunch of pwnage vids by Dr. Craig....
ReplyDeleteFrom my perspective although I have seen great suffering. I still count all of the suffering worth it when I see things like:
ReplyDeleteMy daughter being born
The sunset at Newport Beach on a clear day
To me ... life is so rich... one minute of life is worth a "whole lot" of sufferning. If Gods justice ultimately will prevail... then I think God made the right choice to bring us into being.
Anyone want to take bets on whether Dr Craig has prepared for this one?
ReplyDeleteThe stories of tragedy and pain in this world are real and horrible. But God's entering into the story of this world in His Son and facing these same realities shows an identification that transcends our objections to His creating it in the first place.
ReplyDeleteHitchens here sounds like Ivan in Brother's Karamazov. Those who can't accept the world and believe in God are destined to make it a worse place, destorying their own objections.
An atheists has a double standard because he accuses the system of God, but the system obviously nonetheless exists anyway, so he is really accusing atheism. Why is an atheist allowed to accuse God for the system but not atheism for the events of nature that take place anyway? Makes no sense.
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